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Sox trade Garland to Angels for Orlando Cabrera

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The Chicago White Sox have acquired Gold Glove Award-winning shortstop Orlando Cabrera and cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for right-handed pitcher Jon Garland. Cabrera, 33, batted .301 (192-for-638) with 35 doubles, eight home runs, 86 RBI, career-high 101 runs scored and 20 stolen bases in 155 games with the Angels in 2007. He tied for the American League lead with 11 sacrifice hits, ranked third with 63 multi-hit games and sixth in hits. Cabrera, who was third among AL shortstops in average and RBI, led the Angels in runs scored for the second straight season, and his career-best 192 hits were the most ever by an Angels shortstop. Cabrera, 5-foot-9 and 185 pounds, earned his second career Rawlings Gold Glove Award in 2007 after leading all AL shortstops in fielding percentage (.983) for the second time in the last three seasons. Cabrera's .982 fielding percentage over the last three seasons tops all AL shortstops. Cabrera is a career .273 (1,446-for-5,301) hitter with 341 doubles, 97 home runs, 627 RBI, 165 stolen bases and 706 runs scored over 11 major-league seasons with Montreal (1997-2004), Boston (2004) and the Angels (2005-07). He ranks fifth in the major leagues with 277 doubles since 2001, including a career-high 45 in 2006. Cabrera has stolen 20 or more bases five times. Cabrera tied the major-league record for shortstops with a .988 fielding percentage in 2005 and won a Gold Glove Award with Montreal in 2001. He has 27 games of postseason experience and was a member of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox.

BTW, the Sox released the 2008 Spring Training schedule.

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If true.......
it's a brilliant trade....

by stanchar on Nov 19, 2007 11:19 AM CST   0 recs

Really? For who?
I wouldn't call a 33 year old SS, who is a FA at the end of next season, with a career OPS+ of 86 and line of .273/.321/.403/.724, a haul for Garland.

Apparently Kenny wants this team to get older.

by BustedFlush on Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

it's a 1-year deal...
Both guys have 1 yrs left on their contracts.

I'm sure Cabrerra can still run just fine for this year.

by ruffster on Nov 19, 2007 11:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

My point is that
we didn't receive that much in return for Garland.

I'd love to know KW is thinking.

by BustedFlush on Nov 19, 2007 12:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I see what you mean
... esp. if you are concerned about beyond 2008.

But for 2008, this could be a good deal.

Cabrerra can bat at the top of the order, can actually hit. Had can steal bases too.

Sadly, this is the market value of starting pitchers who have years like what Garland did last year and 1 year left on contract.

Nobody wants to trade good prospects for 1 year of a guy like Garland. There is just too much bang for the buck potential in good young prospects.

I don't see any point in getting 3 or 4 lesser prospects who might never make the ML roster except as a scrub.

by ruffster on Nov 19, 2007 12:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Seems to be very true
Gonzales of the tribune has it up on the hardball blog thing, and MLBTraderumors.com is also reporting it. Was cabrera all Garland was worth? seems mighty dissapointing. But apparently the angels are also sending cash to the white sox, the number was not disclosed, but that has to mean the sox are serious about getting a free agent.

by boyonthedock on Nov 19, 2007 11:25 AM CST   0 recs

I think this is a good trade...
but the fact that Cabrera is only under contract for one season sucks.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Just asking.
How big an upgrade would Cabrera be at this point of his career?
Spoken like a true prodigy. How about you, Lash LaRue? You think you can keep your spurs from jinglin' and janglin'?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST   0 recs

Heard it on Waddle and Silvy
Cabrera is at least better than Uribe but I think we could have gotten someone better, at least younger. If we are getting cash than Jones might be within reach, as long as Kenny doesnt follow through with that ridiculous idea of getting Hunter.
"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Nov 19, 2007 11:32 AM CST   0 recs

It's done.
According to ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118872

Spoken like a true prodigy. How about you, Lash LaRue? You think you can keep your spurs from jinglin' and janglin'?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 11:32 AM CST   0 recs

If they could sign him to an extension
This could be great cause in all honesty, Garland is not as good as advertised.  

I just hate the fact that we got a 33 year old infielder for him. I know it's not that old and Jeter is even 33 but I think Garland's value would have gotten us something young and really good.

AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM CST   0 recs

I just realized that Cabrera is 33 years old...
and only under contract for 1 more season and now this trade looks pretty crappy.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 11:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Drink heavily!
Spoken like a true prodigy. How about you, Lash LaRue? You think you can keep your spurs from jinglin' and janglin'?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 11:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nope...
Cabrera is only under contract for 2008 at $9 million dollars.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 11:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I already started drinking
At least we got a gold glove now even if Hunter doesn't sign.
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 11:51 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

What happened to getting younger?
I thought that was the plan. San francisco is not a good team model. But how much is cabrera getting paid? and how much cash are we receiving? I'm surprised we got cash, because Garland was slated for ~12 million. This has to shave at least 5 or six million off the payroll, right?

by boyonthedock on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST   0 recs

Not saving too much
Cabrera is set to make $9 million next year

Hopefully we received a bunch of cash.

by BustedFlush on Nov 19, 2007 11:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Either Uribe is going to be traded now...
or he will play 2B if Richar falters.  But I don't see Kenny wanting to pay a utility infielder $4.5 million dollars.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST   0 recs

Once I realized that Cabrera is already 33...
and is only under contract for one more season, it doesn't look that good.  I would have rather gotten a young player back from the Angels than a one year stop-gap at SS.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 11:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Uribe trade
I suppose we could use another A-ball releiver or 2.

And the more I think about, garland really isn't that big a prize. His age and innings are the only real plusses I can see at this point. Maybe those things are harder to come by than I thought.

by boyonthedock on Nov 19, 2007 11:46 AM CST   0 recs

Don't tell Soulja Boy...
(See the diaries)
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 19, 2007 11:50 AM CST   0 recs

LOL
I love this trade. Orlando is just what we need... plus some attitude. He will go in spikes high every play, put hard tags down on someones face, hit and play defense. What more do you guys want ssh2005? He is one of my favorite players in all honesty.
If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 19, 2007 3:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You 9 days ago.
"We should sign our 2nd best pitcher to a long term deal instead of trading him."
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 3:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hehe...
Now Soulja Boy looks like a homer chump.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 3:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I
Just didn't want us to trade him for prospects. I h8 prospects. and I <3 Orlando. Just remember there is no such thing as a can't miss prospect.
If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 19, 2007 4:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i think that...
this move might just be salary relief past this year as well. i remember reading that garland probably won't be a type A free agent after he leaves and will command a contract like buehrle's (and he's not  worth that). but i think with the season cabrera just had he may be in line for type A status if he leaves after 2008

by thewatermelonseeds on Nov 19, 2007 11:51 AM CST   0 recs

Or maybe Cabrera is going to be flipped
for something KW really wants?
Until I hear this one explained/spun by KW, I'll not judge either way.
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 19, 2007 11:53 AM CST   0 recs

Could be,
but now that you've got two shortstops set to make almost $14 million between them, you don't have much leverage to get much for Cabrera.
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

loss of leverage?
explanation please?

by The Wizard on Nov 19, 2007 11:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Holes
The Sox have a ton of holes, yet have two shortstops making $14 million between them. Both of them can't play (at least not short).

So, if Kenny wants to dump one of them to fill one of the many holes in the Sox roster and you're an opposing GM, you should be able to get one of them for less than optimal value.

What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking more of a 3-way
that's already set up, but the pieces just didn't fit between say the Angels and Mets (or something like that).  So KW sends Cabrera to the Mets for Milledge?  Along those lines...
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 19, 2007 12:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You are a voice of reason.
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

More likely "delusional"
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 19, 2007 12:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Will Cabrera be a Type B free agent after '08?
Just curious about the draft picks.
"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Nov 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST   0 recs

It's a bad trade...
Cabrera has lifetime .321 OBP. He's old. He's around for one season. A trade like Garcia for Gonzalez and Floyd would have been fine.

Garland didn't have a lot of value, but this was a terrible use of a tradeable asset. How can he get moved to LAA and the Sox not get a prospect? Instead they get an old player that isn't a signifcant upgrade.

I think every day that Williams is the Sox GM pushes the Sox next contending season further off into the future.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST   0 recs

I thought Garland was worth more...
Goos, solid starting pitchers are rare, and Garland's the solidest of them all. He's never missed a start, never been to the disabled list, and he eats innings in a reliable fashion.

Also, "cash considerations"? I wonder how much of Cabrera's salary the Angels are paying?

by Stealfirstbase on Nov 19, 2007 11:56 AM CST   0 recs

that should read "good"
We really should have gotten a prospect. Not a terrible trade, just a mediocre one.

by Stealfirstbase on Nov 19, 2007 12:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'd like to see how this all plays out
Before decide one way or another. I've got a feeling that another move or 2 is forthcoming.

by Big Daddy Kool on Nov 19, 2007 12:02 PM CST   0 recs

Cabrera won't be flipped.
He is what KW really wants. In all honesty, for the 2008 season, Cabrera should be an excellent performer as a top of the order hitter and excellent defender.

But, I don't see how giving up Garland for him helps the Sox a whole lot. They needed to fill some holes and they didn't.

Kenny better start acquiring some players in the FA market real soon since he's obviously going for it ALL in 2008.

by White Sox Randy on Nov 19, 2007 12:04 PM CST   0 recs

No argument with the glove, but
what makes you think he's going to be an excellent top of the order hitter?
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

umm, did you read the article ?
plus takes walks, rarely strikes out, sacrifices, hits, drives in runs, steals bases. I mean he's not Jeter at the plate but compared to Uribe it's night and day. And, he's always hit at the top of the order.

by White Sox Randy on Nov 19, 2007 12:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ummm, did you look at his numbers?
44 walks in 701 plate appearances.
Not to mention the lifetime 86 OPS+. Even last year, when he hit .301 with 35 doubles and knocked in 86, he still got on base at just above league average clip (.340 v. .345) and slugged 30 points less than league average. He is a below average hitter.
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

For comparison's sake on taking walks,
Uribe took 34 in 563 plate appearances, which projects to 42 in 701 plate appearances...two less than Cabrera. Did you think of Uribe as a guy who takes walks?
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

For a SS...
I'd have to think Cabrera is slightly above average.  He's posted a collective 93 OPS+ the last two years -- I'd guess the average shorstop is anywhere from 85-90.

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cabrera has speed and can steal bases...
You can guarantee that Ozzie will have him at the top of the order.  Cabrera's OBP probably doesn't mean that much to Ozzie one way or the other.

by SSH2005 on Nov 19, 2007 12:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If that's to me,
I didn't say that he won't be batting at the top of the order. I was questioning what made him an "exceptional" top of the order hitter.
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cabrera's OBP...
the past two seasons is right around .340.  That's right at what Iguchi gave the Sox and much better than what Podsednik gave us (save for the first half of 2005).

I'm not saying he's an ideal top-of-the-order guy, but...  

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 1:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

ZiPS uses .279/.334/.418
as its average shortstop.  It projects Cabrera at .274/.328/.364.  Basically, he'll walk slightly better, but his power is starting to dry up.  He also grades out at "Avg" according to ZiPS defensive thingy, which I don't really get.

Basically, we traded for 5/6 of an average shortstop  for a single year.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 19, 2007 1:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I saw that the other day
Yeah -- maybe it's just me being too optimistic, but that projection seemed rather low for <Rex Hudler voice> "The O-Dog!"  His slugging percentage the past two seasons has sat at right around .400 -- so he's going to have a 30 point drop just because he's one year older?  That didn't seem right.

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 1:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I see why though
ZiPS pegged him as a .275ish hitter and tacked on the .90 ISO to get his slugging.  He's averaged about a .108 the last three years and dipped under .100 for the first time this year.  I don't think it's really inconceivable, though he could certainly rebound to a .100-.110 next year, if not better in the Cell.  He's not a .300 hitter though, despite what he managed last year.  That was his highest BABIP ever, though he doesn't have to have a super high BABIP because he strikes out so little.

My guess: .280/.330/.390 with average defense.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 19, 2007 1:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ok, so what about T-Boat? 2B?
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 19, 2007 12:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I knew when Houston offered, last year,
Hirsh, Taveras and Bucholz for him that the Sox should have taken it.

by White Sox Randy on Nov 19, 2007 12:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't know if this was mentioned...
but my first thought is that Cabrera is likely to be type-A while Garland would have to replicate 2005 to be type-A.

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:04 PM CST   0 recs

watermelonseeds beat you to it.
What if your enemy is three inches in front of you, what do you do then? Curl into a ball? Or do you put your fist through him?

by Toonderstrook on Nov 19, 2007 12:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

if we offer him arbitration yes?
in that case it looks like

1 year of garland for 1 year of OC + draft pick(s) + cash

hmmmm...

by The Wizard on Nov 19, 2007 12:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Will the Sox offer arbitration?
They seem very reluctant to do it usually. I guess if they do it would be a sign of a new philosophy.

Still, I have a terrible vision of Owens and Cabrera batting 1-2 and posting a collective .320 OBP. And I don't see any real savings money-wise with Cabrera making $9M and Uribe $4.5M

by hitlesswonder on Nov 19, 2007 12:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Very, very dissapointed
Garland was the most attractive asset that the Sox were willing to move.

In return we get a 33 year old SS for one year after we pick up Uribe's option. This trade doesn't make any sense at the moment. Hopefully, it's part of a bigger trade, but standing alone, it looks pretty awful.

by BoKnows on Nov 19, 2007 12:09 PM CST   0 recs

Also
Cabrera is a valuable player.  His OPS+ the last two seasons is about 93 and I still think he's rated a pretty strong defender.  So I guess what I'm saying is this deal isn't nearly as bad as a lot of you guys are making it out to be.

Unfortunately, I view this move the same way Larry views the Dye signing.  When looking at it in a vacuum it looks like a fine deal.  Unfortunately, the Sox just added another 30-something year old and Kenny still seems set on 2008.  He crosses the line if DLS or Carter or any one of our top prospects go for a non-star-mid-20s player (ie someone not named Crawford or M Cabrera).

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:12 PM CST   0 recs

Ummm
Cabrera is a valuable player.  His OPS+ the last two seasons is about 93

That's below league average--not by much, but it is.

by BustedFlush on Nov 19, 2007 12:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's below league average
but I'd imagine it's slightly above average for shortstops, as mentioned above.

I sound like I'm completely behind this trade all the way.  I'm not.  Let me make that clear.  I don't think it's a terrible deal -- my best way to describe it would be a gigantic 'meh'.

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

True
didn't see your previous post until now.

by BustedFlush on Nov 19, 2007 12:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe the Sox are gonna sign Hunter and Rowand
and some Japanese pitchers !

by White Sox Randy on Nov 19, 2007 12:13 PM CST   0 recs

We need things to start falling into place now!
I wanna see the wheels in motion. This just scares me.
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 12:18 PM CST   0 recs

Here's hoping there's
another deal out there. Cabrera is grouped with 2nd basemen and third basemen for eval of type A and B status. So he's unlikely to be type A (top 20%) as is Garland. They will probably both wind up type B. So no difference there. If this is it I'm against this. Maybe this will be a another Lee for Pods trade and the 6 million saved goes towards a major upgrade in another area.

by bhoov on Nov 19, 2007 12:22 PM CST   0 recs

bhoov
Which third-basemen and second-basemen figure to be rated better than Cabrera?  I'm not sure how they're ranked, but Cabrera looks pretty good in all the 'sexy' stats -- .290-.300 BA, good amount of RBIs for a SS.  I don't know, maybe I'm looking at it incorrectly but I think the chances of Cabrera being type-A are pretty damn good.

Unfortunately, I'd say it's just as likely that the Sox try to extend Cabrera for a couple more seasons.  It's not like he's blocking anyone, so...

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're right
The rankings are here

Cabrera seems likely to be Type A if the Sox offer arbitration.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 19, 2007 12:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

My mistake.
Those ratings are even more screwy this year it seems. A-rod is the 6th best among 3b,2b,ss? Uribe is equivalent to Eric Chavez? Wow! They must be weighting FP very highly. So then it is more like:

1 yr. of Garland for 1 yr. of Cabrera + 1 draft pick + 4-6 million.

That's a little better.

by bhoov on Nov 19, 2007 1:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

unlikely?
you must be expecting a poor year from cabrera. unlike garland, cabrera was ranked 9th this year - comfortably type a.

by larry on Nov 19, 2007 12:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Larry has arrived!
Your thoughts on the deal?

I eagerly await Cheat's post, BTW.  I tend to think his thoughts will be similar to mine -- not hating the deal value-wise ($$$ freed up, decent player in return and the potential for two draft picks) -- but I'll still be refreshing every ten minutes in hopes of a Cheat post.

by CWSKeith on Nov 19, 2007 12:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

it's not the way i would have gone
that said, i'd call this a pretty good deal for the sox for what they're apparently trying to do: compete next year. cabrera is likely the better player next year than garland. he's cheaper. we're getting cash (i'm interested to see how much). the pick compensation is likely to be better than garland. if it's not, it's then likely to be the same. and in a market where middle infield help seems to be at a bit of a premium, we now have a chip in uribe that could be converted into something else we could use - such as a reliever.

one problem i have with the deal is that we apparently decided to set the market for trading starting pitching. i'm not sure that was wise. however, like i always view things, we need to see how this offseason plays out and put this trade in that context, as well. right now, in isolation, i think it looks favorable.

i'll need my thoughts to coalesce a little more. my visceral reaction was to dislike it because i wanted garland moved for someone who could help us over more than a season. i've moved past that a bit when looking into the numbers but i'll still need to consider it some more.

by larry on Nov 19, 2007 1:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

remember
we were going to swap buehrle for renteria... I like this deal alot better than that rumored one.
If you die with your eyes open you deserved it.

by Soulja Boy on Nov 19, 2007 3:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Who gives a shit how old he is?
He stays healthy, he can still steal some bags and he can still play defense.  We have him under contract for ONE year, and he hasn't started to decline due to age yet -- so who cares?

You don't see anyone saying they wouldn't sign A-Rod for TEN years (and he's 32).  I know, A-Rod is a future HOFer, etc, etc... but one year of a 33-year-old Cabrera is not nearly as dooming as everyone thinks.

"P.S. if Cintron gets traded or released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07

by mjthor on Nov 19, 2007 12:24 PM CST   0 recs